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Guy Salmon

Title: “Being a New Zealander: Our relationship with nature”

Executive Director, Ecologic Foundation, PO Box 756, Nelson

Email: guy@ecologic.org.nz

 

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Guy Salmon is the executive director of the Ecologic Foundation (formerly known as the Maruia Society).  He has worked full-time for the environment movement for 28 years.

 

Abstract

In a series of conservation policy debates over the last decade the viewpoints of Mäori on the one hand, and mainly European conservation NGOs on the other, diverged significantly.  The principal differences may be characterised at two levels.  At the level of the conservation ethic which infuses these viewpoints, Mäori stressed sustainability while the NGOs stressed preservation.  At the level of the means of implementation, Mäori stressed local community management while the NGOs stressed the role of centralised rules and State bureaucratic control.  There are a number of important reasons to believe that the tide of history is running with the Mäori view on both these issues. 

 

A reconciliation of our differences, and a willingness to work together, would bring into sharp focus some underlying shared values and a broadly shared view about New Zealand’s future.  As globalisation accelerates, New Zealand’s shared sense of identity will become vastly more important to its destiny.  In shaping this identity, the nation will turn to Mäori and to conservationists, for together we embody at the deepest level, some vital points of difference between New Zealand and the rest of the world.  This is an exciting opportunity: we must be ready to rise to it together.

 

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I would just like to start by saying to the tangata whenua and to the organisers of this meeting, thank you so much for the privilege of being able to be here this weekend and to share thoughts and feelings together.  I have learnt a lot and I really value now the opportunity to say some things that I’d like to say.  Please excuse me if I touch on many large issues quite briefly.  I want to touch on some of the differences between a Mäori viewpoint on natural resource issues and the viewpoint of many conservation NGOs or non-governmental organisations like Forest and Bird, ECO, Greenpeace and others.  I would like to be honest about these differences.  But also, and I think this is the more important part of what I want to say, that on many of these issues, the Mäori view has proved to be the wiser view; that the tide of history is running with the Mäori view; and above all, that the differences that we have had and may continue to have, need to be put into some perspective and set to one side.  This is because I believe that what we have that unites us is more important than what divides us.  The time has come when we need to step on to a larger stage together to say something to the rest of New Zealand about the values that we hold in common.

 

Let me start with a controversial image.  This was perhaps an image which should have been part of Nora’s presentation just now.  It shows an area of virgin beech forest in the Waikoau Valley, in western Southland, adjoining Fiordland National Park, which is being clear-felled.  It is Mäori land.  Yet I stand with Nora in her analysis of the problem here, that this is not just a Mäori problem; there is a long history to this issue.  I believe that the real problem has been the failure of the Crown to step forward and compensate the owners of these lands.  When one asks why the Crown cannot see its way clear to do that, when it can find $120 million for people on the West Coast, I think you have to step behind the Crown and ask where are the Green movements?  Where are the NGOs who you would expect to speak out about this issue?  Why do we have such a silence, a sour silence about this issue?  My fear, particularly in this valley - which I flew over and took this photograph only a few weeks ago - is that there is now very little forest left.  By the time the Government finally moves, it may all be gone.

 

In the end, every culture is struggling to live up to its own values.  We are building the integrity of our cultures, as we get our actual behaviour closer to our ideals.  But in a case like this, a positive outcome also depends on the two cultures working together and understanding each other well.  Those involved here have to build that mutual understanding, before they can act.

 

I want to go through half a dozen case studies of the last decade where Mäori and conservation NGOs have been in conflict.  There have been two big differences, I think.  One is the European NGOs emphasising nature preservation as their aspiration, while the Mäori communities are putting a little more emphasis on sustainable use of natural resources.  The second difference has been that the NGO community has had a strong liking for centralised rules and for State control, while the Mäori people have been speaking of the need for local community management.

 

Those are the two big differences that I see have emerged in these debates, and they’re summed up perhaps in these pictures.  In the middle there you have a picture of kaimoana reefs.  It is not exactly a Craig Potton photograph – it has some people in it.  It is a Mäori view of the world, in a way of kaimoana reefs from which the community takes a harvest, with the people there being a central part of the story.  And then crowding in on them, in the one hand is that idyllic image that embodies the aspiration of the European conservation community for an untouched landscape with no humans in it at all; and on the other side, I show the government’s Coat or Arms, a symbol of the authority of the State pushing in and asserting its dominant role over the local community.

 

The next picture is of Graham Metzger who is with us today, kia ora Graham.  Graham is holding a traditional poha containing titi.  We recently had a rather unsatisfactory debate on customary use of native plants and animals.  It was teed off by the New Zealand Conservation Authority, I think with excellent intentions.  Yet it was unsatisfactory, for two reasons.  One was that it came to no resolution.  The other was that it showed a lack of capacity, especially I fear on the conservation NGOs’ side, to listen to the Mäori viewpoint.  Mäori were wanting more local flexibility and local control over the question of harvest of traditional plants and animals.  But this something which in the NGO community generally opposed.  A few conservationists said, ‘that’s okay as long as it is sustainable’ but many simply said ‘we can’t agree with that in principle at all.’ 

 

It is worth reminding ourselves about the centuries of traditions that lie behind the aspiration for customary use.  You see it in this picture of Graham and his nephew, in the traditions being passed down from one generation to the next.  There is the special woven flax basket and kelp bag that is used for storing the mutton birds.  There again it is in the bottom photo of the interior of a wharenui, incorporating many natural resources which are given a special meaning in that context.  These things do command the attention of everybody, calling on us to think about those traditions and to be willing to respect them; and to also recognise the connection between such uses of resources and the sustaining of the natural environment. 

 

Then we have the debate which Trevor Howse spoke about earlier, between the concepts of Taiäpure and Mätaitai on the one hand, and marine reserves as promoted by Department of Conservation and Forest and Bird on the other hand.  We find that the programme of creating marine reserves has been stalled in many areas, certainly throughout the South Island and many parts of the North Island, by iwi objections.  Again the issues are about sustainable harvest and about local community management.

 

My next image is of the Whangapoua Harbour on Aotea, Great Barrier Island.  That harbour is one of the potentially great marine reserves of New Zealand because it includes a wonderful deep ocean up-welling zone which is rich in biodiversity; it includes sea mounts topped with great red corals some of the unique organisms like octopods which are dying out.  Yet because of a mutual lack of understanding, lack of ability to make some compromises, we still don’t have any agreement about what is to happen to that area.

 

Then there is the sad story of the East Coast Forestry Project, centred north of Gisborne in an area with massive soil erosion problems.  There have been – and still are – Government subsidy schemes to plant trees to contain that soil erosion.  It is also an area of severe socio-economic impoverishment and the people who live there, mostly Mäori people, understandably place economic development as a crucial priority for them.

 

When the forestry companies came forward with a joint venture with Ngäti Porou Whanui Forests Ltd, there was common ground that any remaining mature native forest should be protected.  But there was disagreement about the future of the kanuka- manuka vegetation communities.  That vegetation is a seral vegetation type, something which springs up quickly in the wake of land clearance and which, if it is cleared itself, will spring up quickly again.  But it won’t progress through to a mature native forest unless it is fenced and the stock are kept out of it.  There are thousands of hectares of it on Mäori land on the East Coast.  The tangata whenua of that area made an appeal to the conservationists by saying, ‘look, we will preserve much of this kanuka vegetation and fence it off and allow it to return to native forest if you could agree to us clearing some other areas so that we can earn a living from growing our pine plantations there.’

 

Unfortunately, some of the NGOs couldn’t accept any compromise in that situation. They used their power of veto through the New Zealand Forests Accord to stop the forestry company from proceeding with its aforestation plans on the East Coast.  The tangata whenua, I feel, bitterly turned away then from further dialogue.  They found another company that was not bound by the Forests Accord, a Korean company, and now they are clear-felling the kanuka there.  To me it is a great pity that those who could have had – those who did have - so much in common could not have resolved their differences in that situation.  That conflict also damaged our prospects of reconciliation on so many other issues.

 

I would now like to consider the question of the sustainable harvest of native forest.  Some people look at this photograph and see a stump: they see it as a symbol of man’s destructiveness and exploitation of the natural environment.  Other people look at that same photograph and they see the regeneration as well, the next forest coming up around the stump from the seedlings there.  I guess that the perspective you have comes partly from your cultural background but the latter vision comes, I think, from a willingness to reflect a little longer and see a little more.  Perhaps that is what we so often need to do on these issues.

 

My next picture is of graffiti sprayed on a Wellington wall by people who support Native Forest Action.  It says “No whaleburgers, no tuatara handbags, no rimu furniture.”  It expresses the idea that the right message for conservationists to put forward is one of progressively declaring more and more elements of the natural environment to be sacred, to be untouchable, regardless of ownership, regardless of history, regardless of sustainability, regardless of the intent in the minds of the people who want to harvest.  A really important question is what the attitude of those conservationists is to the 650,000 hectares of native forest that is in private ownership.  Almost half of that is in Mäori ownership and some of those owners would perhaps like to take a sustainable wood harvest.  We face this stand-off, with many conservation NGOs and their supporters simply holding to a view that any harvest of native trees would be morally wrong.

 

I believe that there is a tide of history in human attitudes to these things.  I believe that on each of the issues that I have been speaking about, the tide is running with Mäori.  NGOs believe passionately in the importance of wilderness.  It gives a certain meaning to one’s life to be able to respect and value untouched nature.  Yet the challenge, I think, is to take a less rigid view of what we mean by ‘untouched’.  I believe we can also include nature which is carefully or lovingly touched as part of the value we aspire to uphold; not just the wild but also the cared-for parts of the natural environment.  Thus we can try to achieve a better balance in our distinctive ethic, one in which wilderness is part of our aspiration as environmentalists, but not the whole part.  In this way we can set wilderness in a larger context of sustainability.  Of course sustainability is a great part of the European tradition.  You think of those European farmlands that have been looked after by my ancestors, and others’ ancestors, for generations.  We have a wider tradition there than just wilderness, and it is a tradition we have to rediscover if we are to do justice to the full extent of the human relationship with nature.  That is because the wilderness ethic alone cannot adequately guide us to a proper relationship with nature.

 

The passion for wilderness is coming to a limit, I believe, because there is not much wilderness left to “save”.  I put the word “save” in inverted commas because, of course, we have only saved it from the direct impact of humans.  We haven’t saved it from the possums or from the stoats which are degrading its biodiversity.  The total biomass of the South Island’s native forest is declining by 4% every decade, not because humans are harvesting, but because we are failing to control the possums.

 

The philosopher Robert Goodin has tried to articulate what is central to the environmental ethic in the European tradition.  As he does so, I believe he brings us closer to the environmental ethic in the Mäori tradition.  My picture here of organic farmers with their carrots is a reminder again that Europeans, in their own tradition, have something to be proud of that is not just about wilderness preservation.  It is about looking after nature, and tending it lightly and lovingly.  These are Goodin’s words, from his book Green Political Theory:

 

If what we value about nature is that it allows us to see our own lives in some larger context, then we need not demand that nature be literally untouched by human hands.  We need demand merely that it be touched only lightly or – if you prefer – lovingly by them.

 

I believe that the ethic of sustainability is about touching nature lightly and lovingly.  There has been a tendency in recent times to portray those who speak about sustainability as wanting to sustain only those things that are valued by humans such as timber or fish.  That is too hasty; and it is certainly a wrong characterisation of the ethic of sustainability.  The sustainability ethic is not just about sustaining humans’ economic needs and manipulating nature for that purpose.  The sustainability ethic is also about sustaining the intrinsic values of nature. 

 

The other difference I’ve seen between Mäori and the conservation NGOs has been on the question of local community management.  Again, I think the tide of history here is running with the Mäori view.  I would point to these two great trends in the introduction of certain principles that we see all around the world.  First, the principle of subsidiarity.  This is the idea that you should devolve decisions to the lowest possible level, to the community of interest that is directly affected by the decisions being taken.  That principle is enshrined in the European Union, is being implemented in many countries and is implicit in the regional and local administration of our Resource Management Act.

 

The second great principle is one of accountability, that people in power should not just have the right to do what they like, but they should explain and justify their decisions to the people.  I think that those two principles driving together embody what Mäoridom has long been trying to say to us.  I think that DOC is changing and responding to both those great international trends.  It has tended to operate a centralised model with little real accountability, either locally or nationally, but its Treaty obligation turns it toward local people, makes conservation managers face the tangata whenua and indeed, other conservationists in the region, and opens the dialogue.  Gradually DOC is being transformed and flattened to become increasingly a locally accountable organisation.

 

Yet I think we saw something quite important when the contrast was drawn between what Timberlands had to do to win consent for its proposed sustainable management of native forest, and what DOC has to do when it wants consent for its conservation management strategies on forests in any region.  Timberlands had to make an application to the local authority.  It had to face hearings.  The scientists that wanted to testify against it were able to be heard by an independent body.  And there was a right of appeal to the Environment Court – a powerful accountability mechanism.  DOC, on the other hand, has nothing equivalent.  There is no independent assessment of the sustainability of DoC’s management of its forests and this is something which I believe we should seek to change. 

 

Let me step back now to the wider picture.  I see two big trends or forces, which are shaping our destiny in Aotearoa/New Zealand.  One is globalisation.  Look at this picture of a city.  What city could it be?  It could be almost anywhere.  It is actually Singapore.  We are competing with the skills and know-how of people all around the world in a way that we never have before.  At the same time everything is becoming homogenised, so that we risk losing our identity, our distinctiveness and our sense of community in that huge globalisation process.  The second great trend that we have to face is one of economic decline; my next image is of the Mataura Mill, just half an hour’s drive from here, where hundreds of people are losing their jobs.  Those are the white crosses that mark the place where people once earned a livelihood.

 

We as conservationists and as Mäori must respond to globalisation and economic decline.  I believe we have the values to enable us to do so.  New Zealand’s future as a country, as a community, depends on our response to these two things.  In the face of globalisation, in the face of the reality of our economic decline, which has been happening throughout my adult life, we need to find a way forward.  We need to find an ability to work better together.  We need to find a way to attract our people back to New Zealand and to keep the young people that we have here in our community. 

 

How can we do that?  I suggest that it is partly at least a question of articulating our collective values more strongly, building our communities more strongly, making people feel they want to be here, feel they want to work together.  That will drive our economic revival.  It will also drive our cultural revival.

 

In a globalised world, what is our sense of national identity as a country?  We latched on to the America’s Cup, we thought we were the great yachtsmen of the world and our chests swelled with pride.  But then the great yachtsmen left and went to sail for some other country.  We began to realise that those commercially constructed ideas of national identity are rather transient, and that if we really want to get at what our national identity is, we have to get down to the realities of our situation here in the South Pacific. We have to delve into the realities of our history, and we have to build a national identity around those things.  If we really want to have a durable basis for national identity we need to affirm and celebrate, and further develop, what is good about our history and our age-old values.

 

So what is a New Zealander?  I put to you a couple of defining characteristics of New Zealanders that fences us off from everybody else and give us a sense of who we are.  The first is our relationship with Mäori.  If one is a New Zealander, one is either a Mäori, or one is someone who shares an island with Mäori.  The aspiration that has flowed from that is an aspiration for two peoples to live together and to do it well.  We took a great step in that direction when we signed the Treaty.  We have drifted away from that.  But we are coming back and we are striving again.  It is a persistent national concern.  It is one of the pillars of being a New Zealander.

 

And a second pillar, I suggest, is our relationship with nature.  A New Zealander is someone whose ancestors – European or Mäori – were settlers who plundered a biological treasure house the like of which the world has never seen.  Our plants and animals were separated from the rest of the biota of the planet for 70 million years and had become unique.  Our ancestors plundered that treasure house.  I believe that we, each of us, all New Zealanders, have learnt from that experience.  The aspiration that has evolved from that lesson and which is embodied now in our national identity, is an aspiration to honour nature by living in a sustainable way.  We may not do it well yet, but I believe that a key thing that New Zealanders have in common is that aspiration.

 

So I’m really saying that in the end, when they get past the America’s Cup and all the other things that they thought were great about New Zealand, the nation will have to turn to us - to Mäori and to conservationists - because we together embody some values and connections which at the deepest level are New Zealand’s defining points of identity in a globalised world.  If we are to shape our country’s future as Mäori and as conservationists, we now need to step beyond the differences that I have been speaking about.  We must resolve them if we can, but above all, focus on our shared values which we can communicate and excite the rest of New Zealand with.

 

This photograph is of Kevin Prime, a few years ago before he turned grey and distinguished, with his son.  Those values of sustainability reflect a connection across generations, a belief that we must manage our country in a way that respects the needs of future generations.  They also reflect connection to the landscape and to nature which is so powerfully expressed both in Mäori tradition and in the feelings of European conservationists toward nature.  Flowing from those values, there is a practical commitment to building a sustainable way of life.  That’s a way of life which intelligently understands that we must take resources from nature and that we must return our wastes to nature.  But it understands that we must do those things in a sustainable way.  The outcome I suggest will be that when we speak of sustainability, we will use the term to refer not only to the environment, but also to the need to build a sustainable society socially and economically – a holistically sustainable society.

 

I believe those can be core elements of a national identity for New Zealand and the question I ask is, who is going to articulate that?  Who is going to lead?  Surely it must be us.  It must be that we will come together and we will articulate those things.  So I make a plea to each and every one of you: that if we share this vision, let us work together.  Let us resolve our differences where we can, acknowledge and set aside those that we cannot, but walk together on the larger stage.  New Zealand needs to hear from us.  Let’s build a network amongst ourselves for cultural change in New Zealand through all of the different institutions of our society.  Let’s share ideas and opportunities to influence New Zealand’s future through political parties, through Government agencies, through the media, through the arts and literary communities, and through the organisations of civil society.  That is the challenge that I hope we can take from this meeting.

 

It is been a wonderful meeting.  It is been a great sharing of feelings and ideas.  I believe there is something here that we can go forward with, and take to other New Zealanders.

 

Thank you.

 

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Question/Comment (John Bain, SILNA shareholder)

 Kia ora tatou.  Tina koutou.  Tënä koutou.  I want to tell you a little story about Guy.  I first met Guy probably 10 - 12 years ago while we had an occasion to be in Parliament Buildings on account of the SILNA land issues. I was a trustee at that time. We were there in that quite a daunting place and Guy was sitting there with the Green Movement who we classified as the enemy I suppose.  However It wasn’t long before we realised that Guy had a message that he was trying to put across to everybody there.  His message was for the Green Movement to get behind Mäori and the SILNA owners.  The Green movement is still coming here today with their same story, so we have gone on for years and years trying to get some resolution to our land issues.  So Guy I thank you for your körero here this morning.  Also thank Nora for her körero.  Thank you both for coming down here and sharing with us. Kia ora.

 

 

Question/Comment (Henrik Moller)

Kia ora tatou.  I would like to broaden that statement out to more general issues beyond SILNA.  Guy has been an absolute inspiration to the conservation movement more widely. He’s collected an enormous amount of anger and personal attack for the way he has tried to shift the conservation movement along from wholly preservation to include conservation through sustainable use.  He saw the need for that change a good 10 years ago.  He has been visionary and has carried a personal cost which I would like just to acknowledge, Guy.  It’s been enormously important that you have been up there showing the way to change and that you have been able to keep going somehow.  I hope the tide is coming more to your emphasis on sustainability and that conservationists will recognise your commitment.  Kia ora.

 

 

Question/Comment (Shaun Weaver)

Kia ora tatou.  I just want to thank Guy for that inspiring delivery.  There were two things there that speak loudly to me which are the theme of globalisation and the theme of social and economic decline in New Zealand.  It strikes me that these two things are very linked.  There is an increase in understanding of the processes of globalisation and its impacts on communities and the way that communities are losing very real control over their resources in the wake of ever increasing globalisation.  It might be the devolution of political authority to smaller and smaller communities but at the same time it also involves the increase of economic authority into the hands of sometimes very small groups of very, very powerful non Government entities which in a sense is the large corporate world.  As a member of a community who is passionate about this country, I am very sad to see the loss of control of the resources of the country by the people of this country to large interests which come from elsewhere.  Some business enterprises may use ideas of sustainability to legitimate their actions and their ideas sound very nice but sometimes they don’t actually happen.  My view here is that if we can build trust between all sectors of society, between businesses in communities and between Päkehä and Mäori then we need to be genuine and recognise when something is genuine.  And we need to recognise when something might be a public relations exercise.  I don’t want to be cynical when I say that - I have experience in seeing very genuine business relationships with communities.  However, I have also seen situations where this theme of sustainability has been used as a way to divert people’s attention from other things that are going on.  When those things are questioned, I think its time for businesses to have some transparency.  I’m not referring to any one particular situation.  These situations exist in the Fisheries area and in the Forestry area and Agricultural area.  We now have this Royal Commission on Genetic Engineering beginning at the moment where major influences are involved.  I think that if we can invite everyone to be honest and transparent, then we will build that trust and we will be able to take those steps into the future.  I think again that trust is the key and that’s something we all have to earn from each other.  So thank you Guy and thank you everyone who’s helped organise this wonderful hui.  I hope that I will be able to keep coming to a hui like this in many years to come.  Kia ora.

 

 

Question/Comment (Edward Ellison, Te Runanga o Ngäi Tahu)

Kia ora Guy.  It is a great privilege to be present and to listen to such an inspiring presentation.  I think you walk the talk.  You are putting a vision out there of how I see the Treaty could work in an ideal world.  I think that what you are explaining to us, and I’ve always believed it, is that the Treaty is a strength to this nation, not an impairment in the way many people believe it is.  I think that is an important message and thank you for reinforcing it.  One of the issues that I do have is that those who have promoted ‘preservation’ have also helped produce much of the legislation that governs the way we manage our resources and our environment.  This is such a hard process to break past and change.  That’s one of the great difficulties we have.  I am on the New Zealand Conservation Authority for my second term.  It is not very often that we have such inspiring presentations.  Only rarely do we actually meet people who give a real message like the one we’ve had here today.  A message that can take us forward with vision.  It is the same for us at a tribal level in Te Runanga o Ngäi Tahu. We struggle and wrestle with how we are going to empower our communities and out of the blue there is a presentation where the penny drops, or the light bulb goes on.  I think your presentation was of that nature.  I’d just like to thank you and I’m very pleased to have been here to have heard your message.

 

 

Question/Comment (Kerry Jane Wilson, Lincoln University)

I would like to reinforce  some of the points that Guy and Shaun made.  There are two great challenges that I see to New Zealand:  Firstly, retaining New Zealanders’ (Mäori and Päkehä) control over natural resources in an increasingly globalised world.  I see that as one of the very great challenges this nation faces and one that at the moment we are dealing with very, very badly.  In the last few years we’ve seen most of our strategic assets and much of our land sold to Foreign investors.  I think that’s one of the great retrograde steps of the last decade.

 

The other challenge that Guy touched on, and I smiled at his definition, is our identity as New Zealanders.  He defined us as either being a Mäori or someone who shares an island with Mäori.  I would like to think there is a lot more to our identity as Päkehä than someone who lives here with Mäori.  I think our search for identity as New Zealanders, particularly as Päkehä New Zealanders, is another of the great challenges that we as Päkehä are just beginning to explore.  Kia ora

 

 

Question/Comment (Leslie Shand)

I would like to thank Guy for his inspiring talk.  I was also inspired by Kevin Prime’s talk on ‘getting out and doing’ and what his volunteers and his people did to restore an area.  I am very aware that the Forest and Bird’s 56 branches have practical projects on the ground which they are perpetually doing.  I would invite the Ecological Society to come up with targets in places all across New Zealand and as groups to invite people to be part of their practical projects.  So, could we not just ‘talk’, could we ‘do’?  Thank you Guy. 

 

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