A Replycacion Agaynst Certayne Yong Scolers Abjured of Late

Skelton, John

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Ringler 22609 and TP 24. Brown and Robbins 3772.5 ("In the honour of our blessed Lady", line 18 of verse). Ed. Dyce 1.206-24; ed. Scattergood, pp. 372-86. UMI microfilm reel 1363

Honorificatissimo amplissimo ... A replycacion agaynst certayne yong scolers
London: R. Pynson,[1528].

Composition Date: 1528? [Scattergood].

Eulogium consolationis. HOwe yong scolers nowe-a-dayes enbol[n]ed with the flyblowen blast of the moche vayne-glorious pipplyng wynde. whan they haue delectably lycked a lytell of the lycorous electuary of lusty lernyng / in þe moche studious scolehous of scrupulous Philology. Countyng them-selfe clerkes exellently enformed and transcendingly sped in moche high connyng / and whan they haue ones superciliusly caught. Conuenio vos o / publici iniuriatores sancte et apostolice ecclesie. etc. Quoniam ignorantibus suppocitiones veritates propositionum non relucent. etc.
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HONORIFICATISSIMO, Amplissimo, longeque reuerendissimo in Christo patri: Ac domino, domino THOME etc. Tituli sanct Cecili, sacrosanct Roman ecclesi presbytero Cardinali meritissimo, et Apostolice sedis legato. A latereque legato superillustri etc. Skeltonis laureatus Ora, reg. Humillimum, dicit obsequium cum omni debita reuerentia, tanto tamque magnifico digna principe sacerdotum, totiusque iustiti equabilissimo moderatore. Necnon presentis opusculi fautore excellentissimo etc. Ad cuius auspicatissimam contemplationem, sub memorabili prelo gloriose inmortalitatis presens pagella felicitatur etc,
¶A replycacion agaynst certayne yong scolers / abiured of late etc.


Crassantes nimium, Nimium sterilesque labruscas
(Vinea quas domini, sabaot non sustinet ultra
Laxius expandi) nostra est resecare uoluntas.
Cum priuilegio a rege in_dulto.
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PRotestacion alway canonically prepensed / professed / and with good delyberacion made / that this lytell Pamphilet (called the Replicacion of Skelton laureate) Orator regius Remordyng dyuers recrayed and moche vnresonable errours / of certayne Sophystycate scolers and rechelesse yonge heretykes / lately abiured etc. Shall euermore be (with all obsequious redynesse) humbly submytted vnto the ryght discrete reformacyon of the reuerende prelates and moche noble doctours / of our mother holy churche etc.

Ad almam vniuersitatem Cantabrigensem etc.

ALma parens. O. Cantabrigensis
Cur lac[r]imaris? Esto / tui sint lacrimaris] lachimaris P
Degeneres hi. Filioli / sed
Non ob inertes (O pia mater)
5 Insciolos uel decolor esto.
Progenies non nobilis omnis
Quam tua forsan / mamma fouebat:
Tu tamen esto / Palladis alme
Gloria pollens plena Minerue
10 Dum radiabunt astra polorum:
Iamque ualeto / meque foueto. Cantabrigia / skeltonidi laureato primam mammmam eruditionis pientissime propinauit

Namque tibi quondam / carus alumnus eram.
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enbolned] enbolmed P
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Zebub musca inflatiua sibulans ab austro / que intumescere facit heresiarchas contra fidem ortadoxam etc. h. il. Eruditionis exordium in tenera audacique iuuenta temperate moderationis frenum postulat. Alioquin scientia effrenata inflataque spum elationis / quod dulceo venenum est subtiliter intoxicat interimitque incautum possessorum suum etc. h. il. Non sit igitur tibi Philologia (ratione intemperate loquacitatis tue inordinate dicacitatis incogitate procacitatis in singultum et scrupulum cordis tui etc. h. il. Eloquentiam sine sapientia prodesse nunquam / obesse plerumque satis constat euidenter .i. veterum rethoris.

¶A lytell ragge of Rethorike
A lesse lumpe of Logyke
A pece or a patche of Philosophy
Than forthwith by and by
5 They tumble so in Theology
Drowned in dregges of Diuinite
That they iuge them-selfe able to be
Doctours of the Chayre in the Vyntre
At the thre_Cranes
10 To magnifye their names
But madly it frames.

¶For all that they preche and teche
Is farther than their wytte wyll reche
Thus by demeryttes of their abusyon
15 Finally they fall to carefull confusyon
To beare a Fagot or to be enflamed
Thus are they vndone and vtterly shamed. Rhetoricari incomposite. Logicari meticulose. Philosophari perfunctorie. Theologisari frenetice. Arguit in concionatore (nedum lucidum interuallum) sed continuam pertinacemque mentis alienationem / feculentam / amurcatam / temulentam etc. hec il. Uos ergo eliphantice euangelisantes tanquam anseres strepentes inter canoros olores. Relegamus ad tres grues bacchato bromio iniciatos pro foribus Uinitoris propter fluenta Thamisie. Ubi poti potati cum fasciculo inambusto ambustum futurum fasciculum pensitate etc. hec il.

Licet non enclitice. tamen enthymematice
Notandum in primis. Vt ne quid nimis.

Tantum pro primo.
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OUer this. For a more ample processe to be farther delated and contynued / and of euery true christen man laudably to be enployed iustifyed / and constantly mainteyned. As touchyng the Tetrycall Theologisacion of these demy-diuines and Stoicall studiantes / and frisca-ioly yonkerkyns / Stoicam sectam zenon primus instituit. moche better bayned than brayned / basked and bathedbathed] baththed P in their wylde burblyng and boyling blode / Feruently reboyled with the infatuate flames of their rechelesse youthe and wytlesse wontonnesse / enbrased and enterlased with a Iuuenes sanguinolenti propter libidinem dominandi et gloriam fame / frequenter fieri solent sediciosi. hec dias. moche fantasticall frenesy of their insensate sensualyte. Surmysed vnsurely in their Perihermeniall principles / to prate and to preche proudly and leudly / Perihermonias latine interpretatio .etc. and loudly to lye. And yet they were but febly enformed in maister Porphiris problemes / and haue waded but weakly in his thre maner of Porphirius floruit Athenis tempore Gordiani imperatoris .CC.xlix. etc. clerkly
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workes. Analeticall / Topicall / and Logycall. Howbeit they were Analitica libri priorum et posteriorum. aris . Topica .i. liber totalis de totalibus locis etc. puffed so full of vaynglorious pompe and surcudant elacyon / that popholy andpeuysshe presumpcion prouoked them to publysshe and to preche to people Presumere est non audenda facere. etc. im ####ab#### prudent perilously: howe it was Idolatry to offre to ymages of our blessed lady / or to pray and go on pylgrimages / or to make oblacions to any ymages of sayntes in churches / or els-where. De Idolatria lege Hieronimum ad Iouenianum etc. ydolatria dictio composita ex ydolo (quod est simulacrum) et latria (quod est cultura) apud nos etc. De latria / iperdulia / dulia / quid sanctitas apostolica / cum Constantino magno Constantinopoli ordinauit in consilio Latriensi manifeste reperies / et infra.
¶Agaynst whiche erronyous errours / odyous / orgulyous / and Flyblowen opynions etc.

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IN the honour of our blessed Lady
And her most blessed Baby
20 I purpose for to reply
Agaynst this horryble heresy
Of these yong heretikes þat stynke vnbrent
Whom I nowe sommon and con[u]ent conuent] content P Conuenio vos o / publici iniuriatores sancte et apostolice ecclesie. etc.

That leudly haue their tyme spent
25 In their study abhomynable
Our glorious Lady to disable
And heynously on her to bable
With langage detestable
With your lyppes polluted
30 Agaynst her grace disputed
Which is the most clere Christall
Of all pure clennesse virgynall
That our Sauyour bare
Whiche vs redemed from care. O. prodigiosa progenies qualem / de filio queritis habere misericordiam? cuius matrem inficiamini esse matrem misericordie. canit tamen vniuersalis ecclesia. Salue regina mater misericordie. etc.

35 ¶I saye thou madde Marche-Hare
I wondre howe ye dare
Open your ianglyng iawes
To preche in any clawes
Lyke pratynge poppyng dawes
40 Agaynst her excellence
Agaynst her reuerence
Agaynst her preemynence
Agaynst her magnifycence
That neuer dyde offence. Conuenio vos o / Ariani / Iuliano apostata execrabiliores. etc.

45 ¶Ye heretykes recrayed
Wotte ye what ye sayed /
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Of Mary / mother and mayed
With baudrie at her ye brayed
With baudy wordes vnmete
50 Your tonges were to flete
Your sermon was nat swete Conuenio vos o / spurcissimi / o / vilissimi. o / nequissimi obtrectatores matris christi etc.
Ye were nothyng discrete
Ye were in a dronken hete
Lyke heretykes confettred
55 Ye count your-selfe wele lettred
Your lernyng is starke nought
For shamefully ye haue wrought
And to shame your-selfe haue brought. Conuenio vos o / insensati literar[u]m professores. etc.

¶Bycause ye her mysnamed
60 And wolde haue her defamed
Your madnesse she attamed Conuenio vos o / Iebuseij. o / Iudei. o / Cananeij. o / phariseij. etc.
For ye were worldly shamed
At Poules_crosse openly
All men can testifye
65 There lyke a sorte of sottes
Ye were fayne to beare Fagottes
At the feest of her Concepcion
Ye suffred suche correction. Non vacat (o. contemptores mariani) non vacat (inquam) quod digna factis recepistis in deipare virginis Conceptione. etc. hec il.

Siue per Equiuocum
70 Siue per Uniuocum
Siue sic / siue nat so
Ye are brought to. Lo / Lo / Lo /
Se where the Heretykes go
Wytlesse wandring to and fro
75 With. Te_ /he. ta_ /ha. bo_ /ho bo_ /ho. Conuenio vos o / Malesani / vani / prophani / christiani.
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And suche wondringes many mo
Helas / ye wreches ye may be wo
Ye may syng wele_a_way
And curse bothe nyght and day
80 Whan ye were bredde and borne
And whan ye were preestes shorne
Thus to be laughed to skorne Conuenio vos o / Hussiani etc
Thus tattred and thus torne
Thorowe your owne foly
85 To be blowen with the flye
Of horryble heresy
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Fayne ye were to reny
And mercy for to crye
Or be brende by and by
90 Confessyng howe ye dyde lye
In prechyng shamefully.

¶Your-selfe thus ye discured
As clerkes vnassured
With ignorance obscured
95 Ye are vnhappely vred
In your Dialeticall
And principles Silogisticall Conuenio vos o / Lutheriani
If ye to remembrance call
Howe Syllogisari
100 Non est ex particulari
Necque negatiuis Necque non neque legas.
Recte concludere / si_vis:
Et cetera id genus
Ye coude nat Corde tenus:
105 Nor answere Verbo tenus
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Whan prelacy you opposed
Your hertes than were hosed
Your relacions reposed
And yet ye supposed
110 Respondere ad quantum
But ye were Confuse tantum
Surrendring your supposycions
For there ye myst you[r] quosshons. your] you P Quoniam ignorantibus suppocitiones veritates propositionum non relucent. etc.

¶Wolde god / for your owne ease
115 That wyse Harpocrates Harpocrates digito labijs impresso admonuit silentium fieri in Isidis templo. etc.
Had your mouthes stopped
And your tonges cropped
Whan ye Logyke chopped
And in the Pulpete hopped
120 And folysshly there fopped Conuenio vos o / Coaxantes rane. etc.
And porisshly forthe popped
Your sysmaticate sawes
Agaynst goddes lawes
And shewed your-selfe dawes
125 Ye argued argumentes
As it were upon the elenkes Sunt preterea nonnulli huius farine / de quibus hic non est narrandi locus
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De rebus apparentibus
Et non existentibus
And ye wolde appere wyse
130 But ye were folysshe nyse
Yet be meanes of that vyse
Ye dyde prouoke and tyse
Oftnar than ones or twyse
Many a goodman
135 And many a good woman
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By way of their deuocion
To helpe you to promocion
Whose charite wele regarded
Can nat be vnrewarded.

140 ¶I saye it for no sedicion
But vnder pacient tuicyon Conuenio vos o. Herodiani.
It is halfe a supersticyon
To gyue you exhibycion
To mainteyne with your skoles
145 And to proue your-selfe suche foles
Some of you had ten pounde
Therwith for to be founde
At the Unyuersyte
Employed whiche myght haue be
150 Moche better other-wayes Obscurum sarcassmos.
But as the man sayes
The blynde eteth many a flye
What may be ment here-by
Ye may soone make construction
155 With right lytell instruction
For it is an auncyent brute
Suche apple-tre / suche frute Ex fructibus eorum cognoscetis eos. etc.
What shulde I prosecute
Or more of this to clatter
160 Retourne we to our matter.

¶Ye soored ouer-hye Sublimius equo aucupium agunt. etc.
In the Ierarchy
Of Iouenyans heresy
Your names to magnifye
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165 Among the scabbed skyes
Of wycliffes flesshe-flyes Conuenio vos o wichliftiste.
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Ye strynged so Luthers lute
That ye dawns all in a sute
The heritykes ragged ray
170 That bringes you out of the way
Of holy churches lay
Ye shayle / inter enigmata
And inter paradigmata
Marked in your cradels
175 To beare fagottes for babyls
And yet some men say
Howe ye are this day
And be nowe as yll
And so ye wyll be styll
180 As ye were before
What shulde I recken more.

¶Men haue you in suspicion
Howe ye haue small contrycion
Of that ye haue myswrought Conuenio vos o verbosi Sophiste etc.
185 For if it were well sought
One of you there was
That laughed whan he dyd pas
With his fagot in processyon
He counted it for no correction
190 But with scornefull affection
Toke it for a sporte
His heresy to supporte
Where-at a thousande gased
As people halfe a_mased
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195 And thought in hym smale grace
His foly so to face.

¶Some iuged in this case
Your penaunce toke no place
Your penaunce was to lyght Conuenio vos o diabolici dogmatiste etc
200 And thought / if ye had right
Ye shulde take further payne
To resorte agayne
To places where ye haue preched
And your lollardy lernyng teched
205 And there to make relacion
In open predycacion
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And knowlege your offence
Before open audyence
Howe falsely ye had surmysed
210 And deuyllysshely deuysed
The people to seduce
And chase them thorowe the muse
Of your noughty counsell
To hunt them in-to hell
215 With blowyng out your hornes
Full of mockysshe scornes
With chatyng and rechatyng
And your busy pratyng
Of the gospell and the pystels
220 Ye pyke out many thystels Sunt pleriqui alii sed non alieni qui tantundem pene enunciant etc.
And bremely with your bristels
Ye cobble and ye clout
Holy scripture so about
That people are in great dout
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225 And feare / leest they be out
Of all good Christen order
Thus all-thyng ye disorder
Thorowe-out euery bord[e]r. border] bordr P

¶It had ben moche better
230 Ye had neuer lerned letter
For your ignorance is gretter
I make you fast and sure
Than all your lytterature: Conuenio vos male docti legiste. etc.
Ye are but lydder logici
235 But moche worse Isagogici
For ye haue enduced a secte
With heresy all infecte
Wherfore ye are well checte
And by holy churche correcte
240 And in maner as abiecte
For euermore suspecte
And banysshed in effect
From all honest company
Bycause ye haue eaten a flye
245 To your great vyllony
That neuer more may dye.

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¶Come forthe ye pope-holy
Full of melancoly
Your madde Ipocrisy Conuenio vos o. ypocrite etc.
250 And your idiosy
And your vayne-glorie
Haue made you eate the flye
Pufte full of heresy
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To preche it Idolatry
255 Who-so dothe magnifye
That glorious mayde Mary
That glorious mayde and mother
So was there neuer another
But that Princesse alone
260 To whom we are bounde echone
The ymage of her grace
To reuerence in euery place Maledictio mariana descendat super capita vestra. o / heretici cretici frenetici etc.

¶I saye ye braynlesse beestes
Why iangle you suche iestes
265 In your diuynite
Of Luthers affynite
To the people of lay-fee
Raylyng in your rages Conuenio vos o / Machomitani. etc.
To worshyppe none ymages
270 Nor do pylgrymages
I saye ye deuyllysshe pages
Full of suche dottages
Count ye your-selfe good clerkes
And snapper in suche werkes.

275 Saynt Gregorie and saynt Ambrose
Ye haue reed them I suppose
Saynt Ierome and saynt Austen
With other many holy men
Saynt Thomas_de_Aquyno
280 With other doctours many mo Conuenio vos o / demoniaci meridiani. etc.
Whiche / de (Latria) do trete
They saye howe (Latria) is an honour grete
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Belongyng to the deite
To this ye nedes must agre
285 But I trowe your-selfe ye ouer_se
What longeth to Christes humanyte
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If ye haue reed / de (Hiperdulia)
Than ye knowe what betokeneth (Dulia) nota de latria Hiperdulia / dulia / quid per sancte sanxitum est Constantinopoli ab ecclesia catholica et apostolica iterum infringere (quid hoc sibi vult) fasciculum consulite inflammatum. etc.
Than shall ye fynde it fyrme and stable
290 And to our faithe moche agreable
To worshyppe ymages of sayntes
Wherfore make ye no mo restrayntes
But mende your myndes that are mased
Or els doutlesse ye shalbe blased
295 And be brent at a stake
If further busynesse that ye make
Therfore I vyse you to forsake
Of Heresy the deuyllysshe scoles
And crye god mercy lyke frantyke foles. O. medici mediam pertundite venam.

Tantum pro secundo.

Peroratio ad nuper abiuratos quosdam Hipot[h]eticos
Hipotheticos] Hipoteticos P
hereticos. etc.

AUdite viri Ismaelite (non dico) Israelite
Audite (inquam) viri madianite / ascolonite
Amonite / Gabionite / Audite verba que loquar.

Opus Euangelii est cibus perfectorum.
5 Sed quia non estis / de genere bonorum
(Qui cate[ch]isatis categorias / Cacodemoniorum) catechisatis] caterisatis P

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P misnumbers as B3
Et reliqua / vestra problemata. Scemata.
Dilemata. Sinto anathemata.
10 Ineluctabile argumentum. Est.

¶A confutacion responsyue / or a[n] ineuytably prepensed answere / to all waywarde or frowarde altercacyons / that can or may be made or obiected agaynst Skelton laureate / deuyser of this Replycacyon. etc.

WHy fall ye at debate
With Skelton Laureate
Reputyng hym vnable
To gainsay replycable
5 Opinyons detestable
Of Heresy execrable
Ye saye that Poetry
Maye nat flye so hye
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In Theology
10 Nor Analogy
Nor Philology
Nor Philosophy
To answere or reply
Agaynst suche Heresy. Tota erras via si doctos poetas (illis autem non desunt carismata) arguis de inscitia. h. il.
15 Wherefore by and by
Nowe consequently
I call to this rekenyng
Dauyd that royall kyng
Whom Hieronymus
20 That doctour glorious
Dothe bothe write and call Dauid rex et propheta per diuum Hieronymum / matriculatur in nobili catalogo poetarum liricorum / vt patet infra etc. hec il.
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Poete of poetes all
And Prophete princypall
Th[i]s may nat be remorded This] Thus P
25 For it is wele recorded
In his pystell ad Paulinum
Presbyterum diuinum
Where worde for worde ye may
Rede / what Ierome there dothe say. Uos igitur omnes irrisores / contemptoresque poetarum erubescite cum ignominosa verecundia exiticiosaque confusio operiat facies vestras. hec il.

DAuid (inquit) Si[m]onides Simonides] Siphonides P noster / Pindarus et Alceus Alceus] Alcheus P / Flaccus quoque / Catullus / atque Serenus / Christum lira personat / et in decachordo psalterio ab inferis excitat resurgentem. Hec Hieronymus .

¶The Englysshe.

30 Kyng Dauid the prophete / of prophetes principall
Of poetes chefe poete / saint Ierome dothe wright
Resembled to Symonides / that poete lyricall Symonides] Symphonides P
Among the Grekes / most relucent of lyght
In that faculte: which shyned as Phebus bright
35 Lyke to Pyndarus / in glorious poetry
Lyke vnto Alcheus / he dothe hym magnify.

Flaccus nor Catullus / with hym may nat compare
Nor solempne Serenus / for all his armony
In metricall muses / his harpyng we may spare
40 For Dauyd our poete / harped so meloudiously
Of our sauyour Christ / in his decacorde psautry
That at his resurrection / he harped out of hell
Olde patriarkes et prophetes / in heuen with him to dwell

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¶Returne we to our former processe.

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THan / if this noble kyng
45 Thus can harpe and syng
With his harpe of prophecy
And spyrituall poetry
And saynt Ierome saythe
To whom we must gyue faythe
50 Warblynge with his strynges
Of suche Theologicall thynges
Why haue ye than disdayne
At poetes. And complayne
Howe poetes do but fayne.
55 Ye do moche great outrage
For to disparage
And to discorage
The fame matryculate
Of poetes laureate. Fama matriculata. i. scripta in quadam cartula immortalitatis et scedula gratie inmarcescibilis etc. h. il
60 For if ye sadly loke
And wesely rede the boke
Of good aduertysement
With me ye must consent
And infallibly agre
65 Of necessyte
Howe there is a spyrituall
And a mysteriall
And a mysticall
Effect Energiall
70 As Grekes do it call Energia grece latine efficax operatio. Internoque quodam spiritus impulsu inopinabiliter originata. etc.
Of suche an industry
And suche a pregna[n]cy pregnancy] pregnacy P
Of heuenly inspyracion
In laureate creacyon
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75 Of poetes commendacion
That of diuyne myseracion
God maketh his habytacion
In Poetes whiche excelles
And soiourns with them and dwelles Est deus in nobis agitanti calestianis illo sedibus etherijs / spiritus iste venit. h. Oui.

80 ¶By whose inflammacion
Of spyrituall ins[t]ygacion instygacion] inslygacion P
And diuyne inspyracion Dona dei carmen nitidum facundia prestans. Mittitur ex astris a superisque datur. hec Bapt._Man.
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We are kyndled in suche facyon
With hete of the Holygost
85 Which is god of myghtes most
That he our penne dothe lede
And maketh in vs suche spede Tarda nescit molimina spiritus sancti gratia hec Hierony.
That forthwith we must nede
With penne and ynke procede
90 Somtyme for affection
Somtyme for sadde dyrection
Somtyme for correction
Somtyme vnder protection
Of pacient sufferance Lingua mea calamus scribe velociter scribentis. h. psal.
95 With sobre cyrcumstance
Our myndes to auaunce
To no mannes anoyance
Therfore no gre[u]ance
I pray you for to take
100 In this that I do make
Agaynst these frenetykes
Agaynst these lunatykes
Agaynst these Sysmatykes
Agaynst these Heretykes
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105 Now of late abiured
Most vnhappely vred
For be ye wele assured
That Frensy nor Ielousy
Nor Heresy. wyll neuer dye.

DIXI. ¶Iniquis. Nolite inique agere / et delinquentibus. Nolite exaltare. CORNU. Hec psalmista.

Tantum pro tertio.

De raritate poetarum / deque Gimnosophistarum Philosophorum / Theologorum / ceterorumque eruditorum. Infinita numerositate Skeltonidis Laureati Epitoma.

Sunt infiniti. Sunt innumerique Sophiste
Sunt infiniti / sunt innumerique Logiste
Innumeri sunt Philosophi / sunt Theologique
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Sunt infiniti Doctores / suntque Magistri
5 Innumeri: sed sunt pauci / Rarique Poete. Que fiunt inter sociabus sicut Achates. h. Gag. etc
Hinc omne est rarum carum / Reor ergo Poetas.
Ante alios omnes diuino flamine flatos Lege Ualerium_Maximum de insigni veneratione poetarum.
Sic Plato diuinat. Diuinat sicque Socrates.
Sic magnus Macedo / sic Cesar maximus Heros
10 Romanus / celebres semper coluere Poeta[s]. Poetas] Poeta P
¶Thus endeth the Replicacyon of Skelton Laureate etc. Imprinted by Richard_Pynson / printer to the kynges most noble grace.
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